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The use of the banner by Collins in their advertising and on labels was wide spread. The design seems to always have included the Legitimus symbol. The banner design varied from application to application.

In some situations it was more detailed while in others rather simplified. The colors varied as did the style of the lettering but all in all the design always had a similar appearance and became recognized as part of many Collins markings. In addition to the banner being used on goods and in advertising associated with English speaking markets, the banner design was used quite frequently used on labels and in advertising associated with export goods. In some cases it included some wording in Spanish and in some other cases Portuguese. In many situations the Collins banner design used for export trade included a banner design that was more detailed and embellished than when used in domestic situations.

Examples of banners as used on labels and in advertisements in English speaking countries. Markings without a location. Markings using Mexico as the location. The original Collins Company and each of the companies that succeeded it as a result of reorganizations while Collins was in Connecticut made other tools in addition to axes.

Generally speaking most of those tools can be described as edge tools, many of which were intended for agricultural use. Some were specifically designed for harvesting but perhaps the most famous agricultural tool was the plow which was made in a number of designs. Machetes and Bowie knives also accounted for a significant amount of Collins production and Collins made a wide variety of such edge tools between and Not only were machetes a primary harvesting tool used throughout the world they became widely used as weapons.

Collins provided hundreds of thousands of machetes and what were called Bowie knives under their own labels as well as those they marked with the names and logos of other distributors and military organizations. Less common are Collins hammers and wrenches but they too were made at various times. As mentioned Collins also manufactured "other" edge tools and even shovels for some time.

Some of the other edges tools refer to those tools used in various parts of the world for harvesting and other agricultural applications not common or inappropriate for use in North America. Apparently such requests were not uncommon to Collins as there were at least five substantial pattern books created to keep track of the special requests.

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The books were ledger size and contained page after page of full-size patterns generated from the sketches and drawings submitted to Collins from the prospective buyers. It is assumed that Collins did not make a practice of making one-of-a-kind tools but they may have made prototypes that were submitted to those requesting the special or customized tools. It is further assumed that these requests led to the purchase of a minimum number of tools representing those specific designs. Examples of markings used by domestic manufacturers.

No such businesses bearing the names of such companies are known to have existed. Adding to the confusion are a few labels that were later used on axes actually made by Collins. Those axes with their respective labels were for companies located in England. It may well be that there was a business arrangement between The Collins Co.

It may also have been that the English companies had generated a reputation for their axes and wanted to continue it. Some examples were A.

Wills and the Chillington Tool Co. Eventually they were merged into one company. It could be that in addition to manufacturers they were all exporters that had permits to deal where Collins did not have such permits. Another possibility is that they had a call for what was making a reputation as "The American" style of axe. As a point of clarification it should be understood that the name of the company is expressed in a number of forms. A problem originated from monetary difficulties and it was necessary to restructure the company under the name Collins Manufacturing Co.

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When they took over they discovered the name Collins Manufacturing Co. Samuel remained as the superintendent of the works during the years between and after which he and his brother regained control over the company with the reorganized name becoming The Collins Company. The company technically remained The Collins Co. Machetes and Bowie Knives also accounted for a significant amount of Collins production.

Collins made a wide variety of such edge tools between and Not only were machetes a primary harvesting tool used throughout the world, they became widely used as weapons. The popularity and superior reputation of Collins edge tools, especially axes, led to a number of competitors engaging in deceptive practices. Deceptive markings applied by impostors appeared on axes as early as The misrepresented markings were used on and off until at least the first quarter of the twentieth century.

They were used by at least three companies right in the United States that didn't even have such a person associated with their respective concern. One company was near Philadelphia. The other company was in Humphreysville, Connecticut. Indications are that The Collins Company publicly warned off the domestic transgressors and for a while the problem was under control.

Apparently the problem continued. A statement in the Collins Company catalog solicited information about such frauds and indicated that the information would be held in the strictest confidence. In addition to those who misrepresented themselves by using the name Collins on axes there was at least one legitimate maker who used the name Collins. The working years associated with R. Collins are His father was Stephen Collins originally from Hartford, Connecticut. Stephen Collins is reported to have been a ship's captain with his roots in Hartford.

Collins who also originated in Hartford. Confirmation of any relationship has yet to be verified. Examples of variations of the Crown, Arm and Hammer marking. The more simplified version on the right was used on some axes in the s through the s. There were other modified designs that appeared on other goods especially edge tools that were exported.

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These representations are of some designs that appeared as part of the trademark on some registration papers. Brewski , hawkbern , McAngus , MNmatt , randkl , ray charles. Find all posts by paracordist.

Now you need to make your own handles. Look at some of my posts. I prefer Ash as I live on an Island covered in it!! I never thought of going to the extent you did, but I will do that with a couple I have. Never seen a mallet done that way from a post. I'm not a polished axe type person but damn, that sure is pretty! Mine, I clean the rust off and sometimes spray paint them. Are you planning to use it or display it? Originally Posted by randkl. Mirror polish is like a Mora knife to me.

A lot of folks spend a lot of time and effort trying to keep one mirror bright. Others, me included, just let it go how it wants and clean it as we go.

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Mirror polish is great on a collector, but it's a real pain trying to keep it up on a user. With the detailed articles from USFS and Woodslife on my mind, I setup my work area for filing the bit and cheek to match the bit gauge. I sketched a number of lines on the bit and cheek with a fine tipped sharpie as you can see below. In the Axe to Grind video, USFS demonstrates a filing motion that generally begins at the edge then follows the convex towards the cheek while maintaining file direction straight towards poll not at an angle to it. He shows how the gauge is used to identify where the cheek needs to be thinned.

With these guide lines drawn, I set the file on the head as shown below in the orientation demonstrated by USFS. The file is touching at the dashed line where I will be removing material, and just about hits the cheek ALSO at the eye see photo below. For this reason I decided to wrap the head in tape to protect this area before filing. Even so, it will be difficult to use the full length of the file if I maintain the straight direction because the end will be running into this area.

Of course this now brings the clamps into play as obstacles. May need a longer piece of wood through the eye to get clamps out of the way! I spent a few moments lightly running the file last night. Rather than blindly filing away, I decided to stop and take stock. I could see the makings of the fan shape it on the Heel, but not really the Toe. It was immediately apparent that the symmetry and contour of the cheek would indeed lend itself to the formation of the half-moon shape upon filing see photo below. Now the contours of the top face of the Council are quite different.

This side is forming more of the fan shape during filing which is logical based on my study of the Collins. The Toe side of the head does not slope symmetrically away from the line, like it did on the Collins. As a result, the symmetrical half-moon is not forming. I believe the statement in the USFS video about the desired half-moon shape applies to the double bit head he was working on; and may as well for other designs just not mine. BarnOwl , MNmatt , usmc Collins never was the best steel imho.

I would have considered grinding the edge flat, cutting a deep groove and silver soldering in a proper cutting edge. I filed until I sweat, then filed some more. Remind me to put a belt sander on my Christmas list. I have been using the edge guage, marking a few dots along the bit with the sharpie, then filing them out. First straight, then angled one way then angled the other way. Flip axe, mark, repeat.

The profile is getting closer to fitting the guage. I also made a few strokes to begin the removal of the secondary bevel and smooth it into the profile. Perhaps another filing session will get me out of profiling and into sharpening. Plenty of new scratches!! I Would suggest paste wax like turtle wax car wax for the mirror finish Axe when you use it. Should protect it pretty well.

Last edited by Bridgetdaddy; at Still pecking away at the filing when other distractions and responsibilities aren't stealing me. Worth noting but I forgot to mention: I used a hockey stick through the eye to allow me to set the C clamps further away for free movement of the file. Thought I'd share a new and third axe head I just acquired. I can see its a Plumb and in decent shape other than the mushroomed poll. Otherwise I know nothing about its age or background. This is freaking awesome. Good job and takes for the photos. Your ability to post with pictures is at a very high level.

You are a good teacher. I relish working on the old stuff as opposed to anything new. This is especially true with old family stuff. I have a Johnson outboard that still runs as an example. You can polish as axe if you want to. You can signal airplanes with it if you want. But I think it is over doing it. Shiny chrome or steel gives you away in the bush. It scares wildlife and lets people know where you are. Take off the rust and live with some imperfections. It is the result of an axe's life well lived.

My best guess is a Collins Homestead because of the blue letters and EA probly part of Homestead Found these pictures of homestead labels.

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The letters line up perfectly. Sterling Woodsman , Apr 1, Another from my late night axe sleuthing. Sterling Woodsman , Apr 2, This is what it looks like after the wire wheel. Jan 31, Messages: Nice job on that. Both clean up and detective work. Brownie , Apr 2, Mar 14, Messages: I have a homested with that label, they are relitivly new , the older homesteds were stamped, mine is a boys axe.

Heres a picture of the two types. Both good axes, notice the original handles on one like yours had collins on it too. Bax 40 , Apr 2,